Today I chat with a rock n' roll singer and
songwriter who has recently released his fourth solo studio album (Yes and
Also Yes) not to mentions his first book, a memoir. In The
Book of Drugs, the former Soul Coughing
frontman writes with a brutal honesty about his family, his struggles
with drugs, his uncensored thoughts about the music industry as well as
his former band mates. You can find out much more about him here.
Before your book came out, did you give a heads up to anybody
who you mention in it (aside from "Hey I have a book coming out!")
Just a handful of people. An ex who I've become really close to in the
past couple of years; fascinatingly, she didn't remember any of the
stories I told her were in the book, nor could I remember the scandalous
tales she thought I'd definitely have included. My parents, which was
extremely difficult.
People I wrote about have been trickling in, gradually. There's been
some anguish, some comedy, and some strangely moving correspondences.
I know you were working on the book for a long time on and off:
what made you finally pull the trigger on completing it?
I would say that, essentially, my bluff was called; I'd been stating an
intention to write it for a long time, and finally somebody called up
and said, "Here's money." So I was locked in.
You know, oftentimes, fear of success is a fear of being right-sized.
You can be an undiscovered genius as long as you don't release your
work. When you've released something, you might find yourself just very
good at what you do. It may contradict your interior grandiosity. So,
there was a lot of fear along those lines for me.
What about giving readings (if anything) do you like more than
performing in concerts?
I hadn't really done any, until, gosh, the past few weeks. I was really
frightened to do so, because I didn't know what it'd be like. It's been
pretty okay, I'm relieved to tell you. I'm drawing on more
performance-poetry skills than I thought I'd be. That sounds
nightmarish, but I'm not talking about singsongy stuff; I just mean in
terms of how to project the words, how to enunciate, and how to punch
certain things so they're funnier, or in deeper relief.
What was the biggest challenge when it came to writing/editing
the book? Did you anticipate it, or was it a surprise?
Starting. Upon getting the deal to write the book, my editor, very
chillaxedly, told me to take my time. So I immediately began to do
nothing, and wait for the heavy phone call, "Hey, remember that money we
gave you?"
I could work at a pretty good clip once I was started. 1,500 or 2,000
words a day, often. Getting in front of the laptop to begin was
difficult, nerve-wracking--even if the day before I had done it and it
had gone smashingly well.
I totally anticipated it. Beginning is the hardest part.
How was the creative satisfaction different from finishing the
book compared to completing an album?
It's very surreal, having finished a book. One thing that's different is
that, after I turned it in, I just kept thinking of more stories to put
in there. My editor was super patient with me, but I talked to Kambri
Crews, who just wrote a memoir called Burn
Down the Ground, and she said that memoirists could keep
coming up with new stories forever--you've got to choose, at some point,
to just turn it in.
Are there other books (or films or albums) about addiction have
you found enlightening?
Movies with drugs in them are often somewhat boneheaded, in that
filmmakers love scenes where people use drugs, but, after the scene, the
characters aren't high. Like, ooh-shocking-dope-shooting scene is fun
to have in there, but, afterwards, dudeman is just walking around like
he drank half a beer.
Cases in point: Little Miss
Sunshine. Attention is given to his heroin-sniffing, but
afterwards, he's not nodding out--he's proclaiming, philosophophizing,
gregariously. Entourage. Those dudes did bonghits constantly, and
afterwards their eyes aren't slitty, they're totally together, not
stoned. The main character being a movie star, I would hope he could get
better weed than that.
Jesus'
Son--both the book and the movie--really got it right. Billy
Crudup's kind of heartfelt cluelessness, in the latter, was amazing. So
rare.
In True Romance, Brad Pitt does a stellar portrayal of a
pothead. Disoriented, trying not to act disoriented, laying on a couch,
just on the border of incoherent, spastic when talking to the
non-stoned.
Samuel L. Jackson in Jungle Fever I loved, because he liked
getting high--he sings that awesome improvised song about it. Crackheads
in movies are depicted as tragic, anguished wretches. They often are,
of course, but they start getting high because they dig it.
More books aren't coming to mind--dang, I'll remember a dozen the moment
I send in this interview.
Who were other musicians that you seriously envied (or envy?)
aside from Jeff Buckley?
Many, of course. I do know, at this point, that envy is an unwinnable
game. The guy with $2 billion envies the guy with $5 billion. So, I
laugh at myself when I get jealous.
It was strange to me that people expressed shock at my open discussion
of my envy for Jeff. Maybe it's unusual to speak openly of it, but it's
odd to me that one wouldn't admit to experiencing envy. Is it not
normal? Am I the only guy? Or, is envy truly so reprehensible that you
have to deny it absolutely? I would think it's an extremely human
quality.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Strictly talking lyrics, and not necessarily music, who are some
of your favorite writers?
Stephin Merritt, Elliott Smith, Regina Spektor, Justin Vernon (Bon Iver
fella), and Paul Simon ("It was a slow day, and the sun was beating on
the soldiers by the side of the road. There was a bright light, a
shattering of shop windows. The bomb in the baby carriage was wired to
the radio.")
For me, though, it's important to note that lyrics aren't something to
be examined out of context. The lyric is the melody, and vice versa.
Along those lines, I'd call Elizabeth
Fraser from the Cocteau Twins an incredible lyricist, though what
she's doing is really spinning a series of disembodied words with
disconnected syllables. (I don't want to call them nonsense
syllables--they're anything BUT nonsense)
Many lyrics are a series of disconnected slogans, and that can be in
itself extremely poetic, and musical. Lyricists tend to get judged on
their ability to write a narrative, and I think that's wrongheaded.
What's your favorite cover art from your/Soul Coughing's albums?
Haughty
Melodic was done by a famous Argentine artist named Alfredo
Genovese, in a style called filete, or filetado porteño, a form of
decorative lettering unique to Buenos Aires, and deeply associated in
the tango/lunfardo culture of the 20s and 30s. We know tango as a cheesy
dance, but it came from very dark, lurid world--perhaps not
incidentally lousy with cocaine--in the early part of the 20th century.
I let a girlfriend--I'm so angry at myself for being with such a
mean-spirited person--pick the photos for Sad
Man Happy Man--the CD art, as well as publicity photos. There
were so many pictures that caught the feeling of the album, but she
picked ones where I'm really weirdly grim. Speaks of how she felt about
me, unfortunately.
What's the last album you bought (or downloaded?)
I'm highly non-album-y. I'm a song person. The song is to me the unit of
measurement; it's like a painting.
There are some compilations I love, like the stuff that Sublime
Frequencies puts out, and the anthology of old, freaky gospel singles
that Mike McGonigal curated, Fire in
my Bones.
The last full album I bought was Gotye. I loved "Somebody I That Used to
Know". I got the whole album, to be honest, because I was in a hurry,
and I wanted to pick through to find the songs I liked on the subway.
What's an average day like at Yaddo?
They serve breakfast just between 8 and 9, in the stately, ornate
mansion (the place was founded by the widow of a railroad tycoon on her
estate). I've never stayed in the actual mansion, so I'd walk over from
the house I was staying in at, like, 8:50 (you can linger in the dining
room as long as you like, they just need you to order your eggs by 9).
Loads of other artists are hanging out and talking. The best thing about
the place is how fascinating everybody else is--artists in every
discipline, and medium, of every age and background, not to mention
level of success. There's Pulitzer winners and bartenders all in the
same joint.
They give you a lunchbox and a Thermos of coffee that you pick up at a
table on your way out of breakfast. I'd go back to the cabin that they
gave me, listen to some records--last time I was on a kick for the
Sublime Frequencies radio-collage CDs, especially the Arabic ones, and
the time before that on the Secret Museum of Mankind series--and then
pick up the guitar and mess around til I had something.
I'd eat lunch, write some more, then go to dinner, again in the mansion.
I was there at the same time as a great composer named Yevgeniy
Sharlat; he would always be playing whatever sheet music happened
to be in the piano bench--big full-sized grand piano--in this rather
opulent performance hall in the mansion. So I'd listen to him, and then
they'd ring a bell to eat.
Afterwards, I'd go listen to more records, or sometimes somebody would
do a presentation of their work--a reading, or performance of
compositions, or a visual artist would invite people over to her or his
studio. Then I'd go back to my studio, listen to more records, and go
read stuff from the Yaddo library before sleeping. The library is all
Yaddo writers, and it's a rather insane roster: Carson McCullers, Saul
Bellow, Philip Roth, James Baldwin. I read Strangers on a Train,
and it was dedicated to Yaddo by Patricia Highsmith, with this really
glowing inscription, dated 1950.
I should point out that the presentation of your work to the other
residents is totally non-required. You send your work in when you apply,
but, when you're there, you don't have to do a damn thing, if you don't
want to. I mean, I go there to work, as do most people, but a minority
just read books, walk in the woods. Or get drunk.
When you're writing a new song, what typically kicks you off?
I keep a notebook of phrases that I think up, hear, or read. And then I
spend time writing riffs--either from just picking up the guitar with
coffee immediately when I wake up, or stuff I'll record on my phone
during soundcheck, or in a dressing room, when I'm just idly picking
around.
At some point I'll start sitting down, sifting, culling, see which
guitar parts want which lyrics, and vice-versa, and coaxing melodies out
of them.
What do you do to procrastinate?
Facebook,
then Twitter,
then Facebook, then Twitter, then Facebook.
How does it feel to be the 305th person interviewed for Zulkey.com/WBEZ?
It feels three-hundred-and-five-tastic!
I kvell!