Today I chat with a delightful local comedian whose first full-length album, Tendrils of Ruin,
has just recently been released. Tonight he will be opening for Marc
Maron in a sold-out show at the Mayne Stage but you can catch him all
over the place in upcoming shows. You may also know him for hosting The AV Club's Pop Pilgrims feature or for producing Chicago Underground Comedy, or perhaps for one of his most-beloved riffs on the best dinosaur. You can also follow him here on Twitter.
How does putting together a set for a comedy album differ from putting together a regular comedy set?
I knew that whatever material ended up on the album I'd want to send it off to my personal comedy Grey Havens.
I would normally screw around with the audience or do new material in
the middle of a long set, but I mostly gathered these joke babies and
laid them down to sleep. FOREVER. Sorry, I don't know how that got so
dark. I mean, I'd have loved to do more loose stuff on the album, but I
feel like most people's perception of me is that I scream
extemporaneously about dinosaurs all day, and I really wanted to make
this album a tribute to what a control freak I can be.
Which comedy albums most influenced you?
For this recording, Maria Bamford's Unwanted Thoughts Syndrome especially. The way that albums breaks itself into chapters is really impressive. It has movements, even! So very fancy.
You'll
be opening for Marc Maron shortly: do you tailor a set differently when
you're an opener vs. when you're performing in any other capacity? Or
do you always just do your best with the time given?
If
you're setting a tone for the next comedian, you can do some real damage
if you tank. Sometimes if I know a headliner reasonably well it doesn't
matter, but if I'm the last one performing I will sometimes dig a hole
for myself just to have fun digging out. Plus, you know, these folks are
all there to see Marc. You can't always assume people show up excited
to see the opener. Your mere presence can be a challenge for some
people. We live in an era where people can find the exact comedian of
their dreams, doing exactly the comedy they want to do through their
podcasts on the internet. A local comedian getting between that kind of
dedicated crowd and their ideal comic has to work not to get naive or
complacent. And if I eat a lot of carbs before a show I have to be
careful. Burritos make me soooo complacent!
What do you think are some of the less fortunate trends in standup right now, either in terms of style or content?
Stand-up
as an art form has some wonderful built-in devices to curb unfortunate
trends. The chilling silence of an unamused audience is a million kinds
of feedback at once. I don't need to take a stand on what I don't like
to see. If you watch enough fellow comics do annoying or tedious stuff,
you'll see them do it to silence eventually, and that look in their eyes
when they realize "OH SH*T THIS WAS A TERRIBLE IDEA FROM THE BEGINNING"
is priceless.
Based on the criticism Daniel Tosh and
Dane Cook have received lately, do you believe it's unfair for comedians
to be criticized for material they're still working out, or comedians
are open to public criticism whether their work is recorded or not?
Whether
comedians like it or not, public criticism is here to stay. Mostly we
don't like it. So there are growing pains to be had. I think the most
frustrating thing from a comedian's point of view is, some of the
notable "joke policing" right now is just so inarticulate. "Gee whiz,
I'm not trying to get millions of Tumblr reblogs, but if I must accept
that fate in order to get the word out about this bad joke that
horrified me then so be it!" And you'd think the line 'comedy is
subjective' would be a cliche by now, but I don't think a lot of people
really know what that means. Then when you throw on top that people
compulsively recording all your material on their iPhone like it comes
with the price of admission. I hope we can find a way for comedians to
remember the point of comedy and for audiences to learn to stop trying
to take focus away from the performer. But they're still wrestling each
other and everybody has to remember the manners we learned at our first
school assembly. Is it because those assemblies were so terrible? Are
people afraid comedy shows will be interrupted by anti-drug gymnastics
teams like my junior high's assemblies always were? Look, nobody likes
anti-drug gymnastics teams but let's stop freaking out about them all
the time. We have to move on with our lives.
We both review podcasts for the AV Club.
If you're like me, you've encountered some awkwardness from podcasters
who feel like we do them a disservice if we don't write them glowing
reviews week to week. What message do you have for readers or podcasters
on what goes into reviewing the shows?
Nobody continually
reviews a podcast unless they want to be that show's advocate and help
spread its popularity. If you get a review that makes you feel gross,
your advocate wanted to like it and doesn't hate you. Except that one
podcast hosted by that sensitive comedian, everyone hates that podcast.
Just kidding, every podcast is the one hosted by a sensitive comedian.
Which podcasts that you don't review are your favorites?
Some Chicago comedy ones that deserve more listeners are This Week In Despair, You Could Be Dead, and a new one called Tomefoolery where stand-up comics and improv/sketch types discuss literature together. I do review my favorite though, Stuff You Missed In History Class. It's kind of amazing how good it is.
How
do you know which jokes to reserve for your act vs. which are good for
Twitter or other venues? Or do they all go into the same pot?
I've
experimented with doing jokes in both places and found, at least for
the people who come see me perform and follow me on Twitter, that
absolutely nobody notices or gives a sh*t. I perform it differently and
often more theatrically if I try it onstage, and so few people read
Tweets more than an hour old. It's easy to use Twitter for whatever you
want. It's a comedian's dream, that site.
Which Pop Pilgrimages that you took were the most surprising or enlightening?
I
was just dumbstruck by the New Orleans, Seattle, and Portland areas. It
was my first time in all those places. The walking tour of New Orleans'
Treme neighborhood was amazing. I was nervous the small park outside Kurt Cobain's house
would feel ghoulish, but it's actually very neutral and contemplative
and fitting. And I had several moments driving from Portland to Eugene
where the whole car full of people wanted to strangle me because I was
gasping at mountains for hours straight. And that's how everyone came to
call me Gaspy Mountain Telfer.
What are your favorite places to perform in Chicago?
The Mayne Stage and Up Comedy Club
are very high tech and brilliantly laid out. Performing and watching in
those places is a privilege I wish I could enjoy more often. And I love
rock clubs like The Beat Kitchen and The Hideout. One local room I am
completely in love with is Entertaining Julia out of the Town Hall Pub.
It's a free show in a tiny railroad bar and I the audience is so loyal.
You can't pull any cheesy club-style bullsh*t there. You see every face
and they see you sweating under the track lighting, and some very
honest and crazy stuff happens. I feel like my best bits don't really
work until I can make them work there. Also there's vegan jerky there.
Who are some comedians that most people probably don't know about but should?
Austin:
Ramin Nazer, Bryan Gutman, and Kerri Lendo. Minneapolis: Mary Mack and
Tim Harmston. Seattle: Bryan Cook. San Francisco: Mike Drucker.
Chicago... okay I feel like this is even harder because maybe the only
people who read this will be my Chicago comedy friends. Let's skip those
obvious local legends who have been crushing for 5-10 years and go for
Chicago people I only just realized are hilarious this year and wish I
figured it out sooner: Dave Stinton, Kristin Clifford, Rhea Butcher,
Stephanie Hasz, Katie McVay, Caitlin Bergh, Cody Melcher, Peter-John
Byrnes. There's so many in Chicago. It's bonkers. If you live here you
cannot possibly know how many geniuses are going up every night.
Are there any other sibling teams that you know of in Chicago who challenge you and your brother Robbie in terms of creativity and hilarity?
I think calling us a team is a major stretch since we perform together about once every two years. The Puterbaugh Sisters could annihilate us. My brother is very talented, but what we do is pretty different. Check out his poetry-variety show The Encyclopedia Show.
He's my little brother but he has this huge cult of shouting slam
poetry people that worships him and totally humbles me. I'm better at
video games than him though, and I hope he remembers how I crushed him
at Super Mario Kart in high school every time he tries to sleep at
night.
What did your parents do to generate not one but two highly entertaining individuals?
Let us watch Ghostbusters and Star Wars three times a day for ten years.
How does it feel to be the 322nd person interviewed for Zulkey.com/WBEZ?
Asymmetrical, but in a good way.