I'd of course heard of The Art of Fielding as
it was one of the most heavily-hyped novels to come along in awhile,
but I didn't get around to reading it until my dad just mailed me my own
brand-new copy as a subtle bit of encouragement to check it out. Dad
knew what he was talking about: a baseball story about much more than
baseball, Chad Harbach's long-time-in-the-making novel weaves together
love stories, academic life and vivid characters to create a book that's
lovely and readable for anyone who just loves good fiction. The Art of Fielding is
currently being made into a series for HBO. A Wisconsin native, Chad
Harbach is now working on his follow-up while he continues to edit the
magazine N+1, which will be publishing, later this year, a book of essays called MFA vs. NYC, which covers the way writers make money since the expansion of MFA programs.
What were some universities you had in mind when creating Westish?
I'm
from Wisconsin and when I'm home, talking about the book, people always
ask, "Is it this school? Is it that school?" Everyone thinks they know.
I went to Harvard: I didn't go to a little school in the midwest, so
I'm kind of drawing on my own college experience. I think Westish ends
up being a hybrid of a schools I went to and places where I grew up.
The book took nine years to come to fruition: did you work on other books while working on Art of Fielding?
No. I did not. Some friends and I started the magazine N+1 in
New York in 2004 so I spent an awful lot of time working on that. But I
started working on the book in 2000 and more than 11 years passed
between the time I conceived of it and the time it was published. That
was my main focus.
Do you feel pressure to make the next one go faster, or does a book just take the time it takes to create?
Well,
on the one hand, it does take the time that it takes. I know I'm not
the fastest writer in the world and it will take a certain amount of
time, but I also think, there were certain practical reasons why it took
so long, One of them was that I had a full-time job. The magazine
became a second full-time job, so basically, when I was trying to write
this book I was working two full-time jobs. In some ways I'm in a much
better position now to work on my second book where I have a bit more
time to work on it. I am very eager to not take ten years but at the
same time, but you can't force it and you can't predict it.
What kind of research did you do to get in the head of a player who has the yips?
Basically
none! I played a fair amount of baseball growing up and I'm a fan of
the game. I watched as this thing was happening to pretty good players,
but I didn't make any special effort to research it. When I first had
the idea of Henry getting the yips, that was the very first germ of the
book. I thought it would be fascinating to get inside the head of the
person to whom that was happening. I also felt liberated by the fact
that there seemed to be very little written on the subject. I was like,
"Oh great, I don't have to do any research since there's not much
research to be done." I was basically drawing on my own experiences or
making it up.
Do you think people in other fields get the
yips, or it's just much more interesting when someone who's performing
in front of a big audience gets them?
I think it translates
into a lot of professions--any profession where there's some kind of
effort and standard of success. People run into these problems. It
certainly translates for writers. But it's much more interesting when,
for Henry, he has to do it for whoever wants to come and watch. When you
start to break down in public, it's very different and much more
compelling than me struggling with my book, having a nervous breakdown
in my bedroom by myself.
Starblind, Affenlight, Quisp, Skrimshander--your characters have such colorful names. How did you come up with them?
A
couple of the names are obviously Melville and Moby Dick stuff:
Skrimshander, for instance, comes from, scrimshaw, the art of whalebone
carving, and I think of Henry as a kind of artist. A lot of the names,
even if they aren't explicitly references, I was trying to imitate the
rhythms of the names and the music of the language of Moby Dick.
Was it on purpose that Mike Schwartz and Owen Dunne had such basic names?
I
couldn't tell you exactly what the reasoning is. It's a very intuitive
kind of thing. You just want to name the person in a particular sort of
way. You have to mix it up too. Not everyone can have a five-syllable
name.
Speaking of Schwartz, who are some of your favorite coaches, either famous (or in sports) or otherwise?
Ah!
That's an interesting question. There are these figures who come and go
from your life in certain ways. When I was a sophomore in high school I
had a great basketball coach who was from Chicago, who was sort of like
Mike Schwartz, who was really charismatic and able to bring this thing
out of people. It's a funny thing because when you're a person affects
other people in that way, you don't often know it yourself. You're
really helping and affecting people but it's hard to sort of understand
that from your own point of view.
How much say did you have over the cover of the book? What did other covers look like?
The
people at Little, Brown were gracious to give me a fair amount of input
on it. It was actually kind of a long process. There was a long article about the book in Vanity Fair last fall
that had a graphic of a lot of the rejected covers, some of which I had
seen, some of which I hadn't. My publisher was adamant about not making
the cover explicitly about baseball because it's common wisdom that
nobody buys books about baseball. So they didn't want the book to be
ghettoized in that way. The designer had a tough task from the outset to
make a cover for a book about baseball that wasn't actually about
baseball. Early on there were covers I didn't like that were kind of
bland, like a guy standing in the middle distance looking at the sky
above him, where you're like "Gee, that's like every other book out
there that's not very good." Then we came around to the idea of this
all-text cover and we got this very beautiful cover very quickly.
It's
interesting because while the book is about baseball, it's also not. My
dad was the one who got me to read it, but when I tell my friends that,
they're very impressed by him for being so open-minded about
championing a book that also has this gay love story in it.
That's
one reason why before the book came out, I was pretty well convinced
that nobody was going to buy it because you have these two potential
audiences that could cancel each other out. The people who want the
baseball book won't want to read this gay romance and vice versa. The
whole time I was writing it, I was like, "This is a bad strategy." I've
heard from a lot of people who were drawn into it despite themselves and
wouldn't have picked something up that had that storyline. I've also
seen the opposite where people were like, "I thought this was a baseball
book but instead it's a horrible sinful piece of trash."=
What's the news on the HBO series?
There's
not a whole lot of an update. It's kind of moving along very slowly and
we're at the stage of putting together a script so we'll see what
happens. I'm kind of involved in it and kind of excited about it.
What are the best ways for people to get started with N+1? What are its best representative pieces?
There are some great pieces in our new summer issue, #14, that we've also posted on the interweb (we do that with a few pieces from each issue) -- for instance, a really good essay about River Phoenix and madness. Beyond, that, well, there's so much good stuff, and it depends what you're into! People should click around.
Do you follow the Hall of Fame? Do you players who were revealed to have taken steroids be allowed in?
The
whole thing is really a vexed and crazy issue. It's really complicated.
It depends on your basic policy. Like Barry Bonds: he probably had an
entire Hall of Fame career before he started doing steroids. Some of
these guys, you sort of can't make the argument that they were only good
enough to get into the Hall because of steroids. Same thing with Roger
Clemens. A lot of these guys were already tremendous and then started
doing steroids. It becomes this ethical question about whether these
guys should be banned for having done what they did. Also, everybody
was doing it: it was so deeply embedded in an entire culture. You're
basically passing judgment on an entire era of the game.
What was the last baseball game you attended?
The
last professional game I attended, sadly, because I'm a Brewers fan,
was Game 6 of the playoffs when they lost to the Cardinals. I was so
excited because it was only the third time they've ever made the
playoffs and only the second time they'd ever won a series playoff and,
yeah. I'd never been to a playoff game and last year was the year they
had a legit chance and then to have them lose to our hated rivals the
Cards was really heartbreaking.
What's a pro team you sincerely hate? |
The Cardinals.
Not the Bears?
Kind of the Bears, but the Bears are always bad. So my hatred of them has been lessened by their decade of terribleness.
How does it feel to be the 321st person interviewed for Zulkey.com/WBEZ?
3-2-1! That sounds like good luck.